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- [S477] Goeden, Anne, Email, Correspondence between Anne Goeden & Diane Duncan, 10 jan 2019-16 jan 2019>, "The Whyte Family," (Reliability: 3).
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Diane Duncan
Jan 10, 2019, 10:47 PM (11 days ago)
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Hi Anne,
This is exciting news! I have done a lot of the down generational research on the Poole family and have fairly complete records. I can share if you need info. It would be good to compare finding though. The Whyte family I know very little about. It has always intrigued me that my Grandmother's second name was Whyte and researching that family history has been on my to do list. What do you know of their location etc. in Wexford, when did they arrive, where did they settle etc..
I had identified a Daniel Whyte as another brother of Thomas but had not found John. I would be very interested in learning more about them and their descendants. Who were their parents? What other siblings were there in the family? How well did they know the Poole family in Wexford. I'm trying to piece together a generation or two there.
As you can see I am living in Calgary Alberta but I spent most of my life in Lanark County. Where are you located? How extensive is your research? How can we best share? I use Legacy as my database.......
Looking forward to getting to know you. What is our relationship? Oh the questions!!!!
Anne Goeden
Jan 11, 2019, 8:23 PM (10 days ago)
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Hi Diane:
I live in Oakville, Ontario. I have a farm in Bruce County ( where it appears I left my Whyte binder).
I think that my information that John Whyte came from Wexford was based on research of one of Thomas's descendants. ( Of course I can't remember her name because it's in my binder)
John Whyte married Margaret Webster in 1821 in the town of Perth, Drummond, Lanark ( no date in register)
I spent a morning at the Anglican Church archives in Ottawa about 14 years ago where I had one of my best discoveries. I found the baptism of Margaret Webster in Perth on 15 Oct 1858. It stated that she was born 20 August 1794 in Enniscorthy, Wexford and that her parents were Joshua Webster and Priscilla Houghton. I knew that I had seen those names in the IGI. The Websters were Quakers in Ireland ( but not it seems in Canada). Margaret Webster had at least three siblings in Lanark that I've found. Israel, Ann married to a Richard Ennis and Lucy married to Abel Martin.
Unfortunately, I do not have much background information on John. If I'm remembering correctly both John and Thomas got land in 1816.
I use family tree maker. I can send you a descendant report that includes what I have for both John and Thomas. I haven't worked on this family in a while, but I'd be happy to work with you.
So I am Anne Goeden, born 1961 dau of David Goeden son of Jennie Chambers dau of Margaret Webster Whyte dau of John Whyte, son of John Whyte born 1790
My ancestor John Whyte junior born 1823 left Lanark about 1851 and moved to Woodstock area in Oxford County. He was married to Elizabeth McFarlane and several of her siblings also made the move from Lanark to Oxford.
I'm very excited to meet a new cousin. Once you tell me how many generations down you are from Thomas we can figure it out exactly. If Thomas is also your ggg grandfather then we would be fourth cousins.
So let me know what kind of report you want me to send you.
Cousin Anne
Diane Duncan
Jan 14, 2019, 12:28 AM (7 days ago)
to Anne
Hi, I am Diane Miller 1946 m. Don Duncan
Father Ernest Miller m. Evelyn Mather
Paternal grand parents - Alice Whyte Ferrier m Herbert Miller
Her parents - John Ferrier m Alice Poole
Her parents - John B. Poole m Alice Whyte
Her parents - Thomas Whyte m. Anne Reinhart
I'm using legacy but pdfs work for sharing info.
Still battling the flu but some respite at times.
Meant to send this earlier so very brief.
So glad you reached out.
Diane
Diane Duncan
Jan 14, 2019, 12:34 AM (7 days ago)
to Anne
I think it is fourth cousins once removed.
Anne Goeden
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Jan 15, 2019, 7:07 PM (6 days ago)
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Hi Diane:
Actually I think that we are fifth cousins. I was kind of tired the other night when I was trying to calculate it. We share the same gggg grandparents Senior Whyte and Wife. ( Maybe we can get them some names)
So I'm going to send you a descendant report. I'm probably going to my farm on the weekend so if you have any questions about my sources maybe we can wait until I retrieve my binder.
Also this week, I also found a fourth cousin on ancestry. Wendy Price. She is a descendant of Olivia Ann Whyte born 1861 ( daug of Joshua, son of John) I think that she is also matching you.
Are you in gedmatch? I have my father's dna in gedmatch . His kit number is T431187. My kit number is T127179 and my cousin's Linda June Spidell is A579496
I like to use gedmatch as well as ancestry because you can put in a lower threshold if you think that you are related to someone. I think that ancestry cuts off at 7 cM.
Fifth Cousin Anne
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Diane Duncan
Jan 15, 2019, 9:17 PM (6 days ago)
to Anne
Wonderful! I did a hasty input of you line and came up with the four once removed. I spent all day yesterday checking my info and adding some more. I will go over your and compare. I know the families and the area of eastern Ontario as I was born and lived near Perth before marrying and moving to Almonte. Lanark County is home territory for me. Are you on facebook. Check for dianeduncan01 if you are.
Yes on gedmatch, originally tested at Family tree dna shared to my heritage. Just sent off sample to living dna in the Hope's it will help with the British isle searching.
Really interested in finding out if the Whytes and Pooles were neighbors in Wexford. Have to go back to my meeting note files. The Pooles were not Palentine as I was told but Quakers.
I'll be back to you shortly!
Diane Duncan
Jan 16, 2019, 12:09 AM (5 days ago)
to Anne
I worked through your line tonight and i will do more tomorrow. My program (Legacy) says that your Dad was a fourth cousin and you are a fourth cousin once removed! I'll check it against some of the charts tomorrow but I'm pretty sure its right.
I will also look up my numbers in the various DNA sites and send them to you.
The unknown Whyte is my 4th great grandfather. There must also be other Whytes as I found Daniel living with Thomas and Ann in the 1861 census. Usually the whole family came but if some married before they may have come another family. Daniel was born about 1779 so there is a 10 year gap to John the next son. I'll do some searching on that tomorrow.
Time for bed. We definitely are cousins!!!!!
- [S128] Canada, 1851 Census, ((http://ancestry.ca)), accessed 17 Jan 2019), Thos White Household; Year: 1851; Census Place: Drummond, Lanark County, Canada West (Ontario); Schedule: A; Roll: C_11732; Page: 71; Line: 37. (Reliability: 3).
- [S477] Goeden, Anne, Email, Correspondence between Anne Goeden & Diane Duncan, 19 jan 2019-21 jan 2019>, "Possible family of Thomas and John," (Reliability: 3).
Possible family of Thomas and John
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Diane Duncan
Jan 19, 2019, 2:23 AM (2 days ago)
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Parents:
Thomas White & Jane Fuller, Taghmon, Wexford
Siblings:
John White 10 Dec 1793
Samuel 12 Jan 1796
Thomas 17 May 1798
Francis 6 Nov 1801
Elizabeth 23 Mar 1804
William 4 Feb 1807
From Quaker Records on FindMyPast
Diane Duncan
Jan 19, 2019, 9:31 AM (2 days ago)
to Anne, me
Further investigation has revealed that this Thomas died as an infant but research has taken me down a path of info during the rebellion of 1798! Darn!
Back to the drawing board! This is the only Wexford family showing up in Quaker minutes.
Diane
Anne Goeden
Jan 19, 2019, 12:31 PM (2 days ago)
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Hi Diane:
Just got back from the farm. I'm going to look through my binders for clues.
Diane Duncan
Jan 19, 2019, 1:57 PM (2 days ago)
to Anne
I switched over to the Poole family this morning because Jacob Poole loomed large in the meeting minutes dealing with this family. I believe that the Whyte/White family and the Pooles knew each other in Wexford. I am struggling with the era between 1675 and 1750. There is just something that is not right. I have someone in Utah that is working on this as well. Just about to email him. I've hit a brick wall but not in the same place it used to be!
Chat later,
Diane
Anne Goeden
Jan 20, 2019, 8:17 PM (22 hours ago)
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Hi Diane:
After combing through my binders, I haven't come up with much. Most of my work on this family was done in 2002-2005 so I've been getting sidetracked updating those branches. Genealogy is so much easier than in the olden days.
Anyway, a lot of the web pages I used to use like Granny's Genealogical Garden are gone.
According to the 1842 census ( which I don't think I've seen myself) John Whyte on Conc. 8 Lot 6 came in 1817
( somewhere else I found a note that says that John Whyte located 19 November 1816.)
Thomas Whyte on Conc. 7 Lot 5 came in 1820.
They lived practically across the road from each other.
Thomas Whyte was an executor of John Whyte's will.
According to the obit of Robert White who died 3 May 1897 published in the Perth Courier 14 May 1897
...Robert Reinhart Whyte born November 1834 on the farm on which he died 8th Line Drummond near Balderson
"Parents Thomas Whyte and Anne Reinhart were married in Canada after coming from Wexford, Ireland"...
This must be my source for knowing that Thomas was from Wexford.
On the census of 1821 Drummond (transciption that I printed from Granny's genealogical garden in 2002) ( I'm glad I print everything)
Thomas White and John White each with only 1 person in household. Another John White with I female, 2 sons and 1 daughter for a total of 5.
I'm not sure how we are going to get back farther. One of the researchers thought that if the Whytes were following the Irish naming pattern ( almost the same as the Scottish naming pattern) that we should be looking for parents named John and Anne.
Diane Duncan
Jan 20, 2019, 9:56 PM (20 hours ago)
to Anne
Everything you have jives with what I have. One thought struck me. The Whyte spelling of the name is predominately used in Scotland and the White is use in England. I think the family roots are in one of these countries so we may need to look at military or quaker migration records. Often if a British soldier was released in Ireland he stayed there. There are not a lot of Whites and fewer Whytes in Ireland in that period. Did a bit of looking via FindMyPast.
It was in my reading of Quaker meeting minutes yesterday Jacob Poole seemed to be one of the movers and shakers. I have a lot of Jacobs in the Poole connection. I have gradually been able to push the Pooles back to 1650 but have one little hiccup around 1700 that I am working on. Did you ever hear anyone mention Palatines in regards to the Whytes? Not a name I would expect to find there but who knows. I have yet to go through the townland records again looking for Whyte.
I just received info from another Poole descendant in Utah that has tied in another whole branch of the Pooles that included William Poole who was a member of the rebels in 1837 and moved to Illinois with others who didn't like the politics of the time. Interesting stuff!
Im working back and forth on this as I think the two families knew each other in Ireland and certainly arrived about the same time and settled close to each other
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I can send more detailed info if needed on my family tree. I thought I would start with the one I sent as the two families intertwine early on and I want to do more work on those generations before pulling it all together. I did quite a bit of work on it yesterday but faded out early afternoon and ended up at the hospital for an xray to rule out pneumonia. This bug has really got me down.
Keep me in the loop if you find more info and if you need more, let me know. I like to record all the census, marriage images etc and didn't on my early research so I am frequently backtracking to fill in the gaps, especially on my main family lines. I do it for marriage partners to the point where they enter the history of the main lines. Working on all eight grandparents but have gathered a lot of families back to the great grandparents and some beyond like the Whytes when something intrigues me.
I'm so glad you reached out to me! Hope we have a chance to meet someday and it's interesting that DNA can help sort things out that far back!
Anne Goeden
9:26 AM (9 hours ago)
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Hi Diane:
I have always been under the impressions that the Whytes came from Scotland to Ireland ( This is what my father's aunt thought) . My Farlane ancestors were only in Ireland for one generation before coming to Canada ( they were in County Derry). So maybe we should try and see what kind of records exist around this type of resettlement. ( The protestant Scottish into Ireland) , Or maybe someone has a Scottish Whyte tree that we could tie into.
Hope that you are feeling better. It's freezing here, so a good day to stay indoors.
Love Anne
- [S479] Ireland, Society of Friends (Quaker) Births, ((findmypast.com)), accessed 19 Jan 2019), Thomas White death; pg. 103. (Reliability: 3).
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- [S58] Public Archives of Canada, Canada, 1861 Census, ((http://ancestry.ca)), accessed 17 Jan 2019), Thomas White Household; Library and Archives Canada; Ottawa, Ontario, Canada; Census Returns For 1861; Roll: C-1042-1043, page 28 line 42. (Reliability: 3).
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